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chelle1011
Posts: 10

stressed!! me2 :)
Posted: Saturday, January 06, 2007 4:38:35 PM

Hi i'm Michelle

I'm fairly new to the field (2years) and I feel like I just cant find the right salon for me.I have been shampooing hair for four years now and I have a lot of experience assisting but not a lot of hands on training what should I do?I'm getting sO frustrated because I feel like I'm not getting anywhere.



shorthairedgirl
Posts: 142
Bronze Member

hi
Posted: Saturday, January 06, 2007 5:32:29 PM

Chelle1011 why don't you see if there is a Supercuts in your area? they have hands on training and teach you there own technique in haircutting. they hav good benefits, steady pay, medical/dental/vision,401k, vacation and ongoing training. the tips are usually very good i usually make about 400 dollars a week and thats just in tips but i've been there for 5 years and hav my own clients. but believe me you wont be frustrated the way you are now you'll be gaining valuable experience and confidence. good luck!

 


Lily 



chelle1011
Posts: 10

Posted: Saturday, January 06, 2007 5:37:49 PM
Thats funny you said that I worked at a supercutz for a while but then I felt like I need to advance. so I went to one of the top salons  in Westchester and I liked it but wasn't getting very far.I just know I have a lot of potential and I want to be able to use it.

shorthairedgirl
Posts: 142
Bronze Member

well...
Posted: Saturday, January 06, 2007 5:44:15 PM

Well if you know you hav alot of potential then keep your eyes and ears open for new oppertunities. its a big world out there and there are alot of salons. just keep going and think BIG! and in the meantime take alot of advanced classes. Good Luck!

 


Lily 



chelle1011
Posts: 10

Thanks sO much
Posted: Saturday, January 06, 2007 5:57:10 PM
When I left work today I was really discouraged and really didn't know what I wanted to do. I just pray I find the right salon for me.
-MicH

shorthairedgirl
Posts: 142
Bronze Member

Posted: Saturday, January 06, 2007 8:18:47 PM

ofcourse you will!

 

 


Lily 



hues4you
Posts: 2566
Platinum Member

chelle1011
Posted: Sunday, January 07, 2007 6:06:13 PM

Dear chelle1011


Welcome to the BTC Talk Back Boards!  Please take a few moments to read over the board rules in the green box above.  It sounds like it time for you to get out of the shampoo bowl and get behind that chair.  Much success to you!


Cindy Farr Hester  Asst Moderator


 



Dawn
Posts: 2

destress
Posted: Monday, January 08, 2007 3:03:44 AM

Dear michelle,

  If you have been assisting for two years and havn't been trained to go on the floor (training program) you need to find an employer that offers this.  Go into the salons in your area and find one that when you walk in everyones hair looks fabulous, they are dressed well and its busy.  That is were you are going to want to apply for an interview.  When going on interviews-make sure you ask about thier training program.  If they don't have one move on!  Best of luck to you.  Dawn 



DylanT
Posts: 1

I started out slow too
Posted: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:15:07 PM
I then quickly moved into a REGIS Salon in the mall.  I got awesome help from other stylists and free Education and much more. I move around with them also, differnent states and posittions as well. http://www.regiscorp.com/index.cfm They are a commision salon so alot of people stay long enough to build and then leave. At least 100 walkins a month in a large city and mall.

scaqua
Posts: 32

i hear ya, sister
Posted: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:55:26 PM
I've been assisting since last summer and I have my concerns about it all dragging on too long... sometimes I feel weird watching the stylists on the floor, but I tell myself to get over it and get all I can out of this because no one else is going to care as much about my training. And no one else knows what I need to feel confident and ready for the floor. I agree that it's best to be in a busy, talent filled salon with a set training program. Try to get them to give you a track (a list of what you must complete in order to get on the floor, etc). Keep me posted. I'm curious to see how it turns out. Do u live in los angeles?

hues4you
Posts: 2566
Platinum Member

DylanT
Posted: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 4:59:33 AM

Dear DylanT


Welcome to the BTC Talk Back Boards!  Please take a few moments to read over the board rules in the green box above.  Nice to have you with us.


Cindy Farr Hester  Asst Moderator



Hair*Fac*tor
Posts: 5

Watch what you wish for.
Posted: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 4:17:00 PM

Michelle


STAY AWAY FROM THE CHAIN SALON. Your invested time in full service will have been wasted. Sounds like you may need to express your feelings at work and get some feed back from co workers.



scaqua
Posts: 32

The time is now
Posted: Monday, April 09, 2007 11:27:27 AM
What state do you live in? I would go to a place that will put you on the floor for at least a couple of days a week... would you be comfortable with something like that?  

in2msclkw
Posts: 87

best thing to do
Posted: Monday, April 09, 2007 1:45:45 PM
I have been doing hair 28years 11 of those years i work for regis as a part time stylist went full time and in 6 months I was manager of my own salon. Its a great place to start and free education and lots of walk ins and where you go from there is up to you. Its a good company to work for starting out.


Schrlau
Posts: 15

Go Girl, Go!
Posted: Monday, July 16, 2007 6:48:32 PM

I agree with all of the wise people in this strand, it is time for you to get behind the chair.

Finding the place you feel comfortable is tougher than it would seem.  It sounds like you have done what a lot of people have done, gone to the upper scale salons that look promising on the surface, but may not be the best fit for you. 

First and formost, be true to yourself about what you want and continue to go after it, no matter how long it takes, you will find it as long as you do not give up.

 

Keep searching,

Schrlau

 



nelson
Posts: 3

stressed????? wow
Posted: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 7:55:32 AM
my advice to you is to take a look back and make an assessment of where  you at and what are your goals in life! sometimes we need to take a step back and and acknowledge that dream of moving forward, in this business as well as any other business . we are afraid to take that first step, god knows i went through that, when i went to college, afraid of expectations and what people thought in general, where one of the basic things that held me back, however, when i made the first step, i realized that turning back was not an option, inwhich it was the start to something new, now that i am working as a social worker i have learned the skills in making better choices and better communication skills, any questions please feel free to contact me at nsant61118@aol.com

dfah
Posts: 2

Help, I'm afraid to change jobs!!!
Posted: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 9:36:10 AM
I recently was offered a position at a Salon that I have always wanted to work at. But I'm afraid to move because I don't have a lot of following and money wise I'm afraid I would not make it. As it is now I have another job. The salon I am at is kind of a dead end, and the otherone, well they have a lot of education and that's what I'm looking for, but I'm scared to make the move, HELP ME!!!


scaqua
Posts: 32

Posted: Monday, August 20, 2007 12:24:45 PM
I would go where there is education and support for when you are newly on the floor and building.. when you still have questions, it helps to have a supportive team around you.

patreefan
Posts: 7

You get what you pay for.
Posted: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 6:00:39 PM
I'm not trying to knock anyone who works at a chain salon, but reputation is sooo important in this business. If you work at a $10 hair cut place, than that's what your hair cuts are worth. I say work smarter, not harder. You'll do 3 or 4 haircuts to make as much $ as a nice salon and I'm sure that your work will reflect that. Get educated on color because thats where the smart money is at.  Good luck!!! And don't short change yourself.


amalia
Posts: 4

Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 12:46:44 PM
I am fairly new to the field as well, i started about a year and a half ago. I got out of school and got a job at a well known salon, but at the time they had out grown their old salon so built another. So i got thrown out onto the floor right away, how scary right? I think apprentincing is very important and i wish i had gotten to do it for at least a little bit! But at the same time i got thrown into the pool of sharks and was forced to face my fears of a rookie. All of your training is very valuable, i wouldn't reccomend selling yourself short at a chain salon. It would be waisting all of the efforts your have put togeather thus far! I wish you luck!

Thanks,

Amalia



jensue1
Posts: 2

Sressed!!!
Posted: Sunday, December 23, 2007 10:09:05 AM

I have been doing hair for about 12years now and really love it. Just started doing booth rent about 5years ago. Try finding a salon that is in a good location and if you sign a contract make sure you read it well  and make sure it has everything you need. I am just getting ready to leave the salon that I am at now for reasons that things were promised and nothing is happening the owner is not there on Sat. and expects me to wait on people that come in to by her products and gift certificates and then if they buy a gift certificate with a hair service added in the gift certificate she will take 10 percent off of  the service that I do!!! She says if she advertises and a new client comes in that this is her client and she will take another 10 percent. If I use her credit care machine she will take another 10 percent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I pay 800.00 for booth rent do you think I am staying around!!!!


The contract or I should say it is more of how to conduct your self in her place of business. she never signed the so called contract and I went on line and downloaded a real contract to show her want a real rental agreement looks like.


I think it is sad that all my clients that came with me and that I sent to this owner which is a facialist  and I sent them to get manicures and massages and she then turns around and if one of her clients comes to any of us she will take another 10 percent and this is not in the contract!!!!! Do you think I am maDDDDDD!!


But !! There is a light at the end of the tunnel!  Will be moving to a new salon in March!! I have contacted 6 people that I use to work at in a comission salon and we all will be moving to the new salon, we have met with the builders and salon owners to make this work for us and for them!  Everyone has to work together!!!  Make sure when you go booth rent go get something done in the salon a couple of times or send a friend if you have to too see how things really are.


Have a great Holiday everyone!!!


 



gd
Posts: 799
Gold Member

Rental agreements
Posted: Thursday, December 27, 2007 11:24:30 AM
I agree, anyone doing booth rental should read and understand  the agreement and make sure that everything is spelled out. The agreement should be very specific, what services can be performed, what hours the salon is available for your use, how walk-ins and new clients are handled, how is retail handled, credit card machine charges, cleaning duties, etc. Remember, if it isn't spelled out, the owner can change things whenever they wish. It is not unusual for booth rental salons to charge a fee or take a percentage of new clients given to renters. In my area most salons do not allow renters to take any new clients and many salons charge 50% of the first service.  Make sure the salon works for you and the way you wish to operate your business.


sparxx
Posts: 9

annoyed
Posted: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:48:00 PM
I just graduated in dec of 07, for cosmetology.... been a nailtech for 8 yrs had mine nail lic for a long time. i started last year in a salon and spa, i'm still there i do nails stilland train for hair too. i'm very discourge..... i told them that i want to be in the salon more to train to do more with hair. i'm pretty tired of doing nails!!!! they agreed. then i'm come to find out that i'm not the only one trainning. theres a asstant that blowing out hair and she's not a junior, so is this new girl that they hired as a asstant. i dont know what is ? i know they book alot of nail appts for me, they were suppose to block those appts so i can learn hair!!! i pretty much had it with this place thers so much unfairness that i'm very upset . i just want to get my feet wet in the industry and its like it aint gonna happen. no i dont want be stuck washing hair , did that for 2 yrs. plus the classes they give there a joke. i kinda want to work 1 or 2 day s  at another  hair salon so its strickly hair only!!! sorry to vent but this hurts me.




Hair by angel
Posts: 111
Bronze Member

get out
Posted: Sunday, May 25, 2008 11:57:14 PM
Get your self out there and find a new place.  you make it happen fo you. 
I can do all things thru Christ who gives me strength!

want2dream
Posts: 3

I identify with you all
Posted: Sunday, November 23, 2008 1:43:05 AM

been out school for it will two yrs in June, I worked for SmartStyle, loved it until we through two managers in six months, I reapplied thinking I was ready, and I would still be there if I hadn't felt like after everyone walked out leaving me with a nine to nine shift for the second time in wks time, I flipped. i had called told area supervisor what was going on since she was the manager while we were in free fall. basically told me there wasn't much she could do. I looked around, and felt a feeling i had only felt when i worked at McDonalds i called her voicemail told her if she wanted the store open she would have to come and open it. counted down the cash register lock the gate threw my keys on the desk. I was getting calls from friends fifty miles away who worked for the same surpervisor, I said yep, i have had enough foot marks on my back not putting up with it.


Had this job for six months, it amazes me how in the begining everything seemed so perfect and hindsight i feel i was put up for a downfall. I understand why my boss did what she did, but i told her french twist and up do's are not my thing, i can cut, hilite, low lite, color and perm, but i am horrible at up do's even in school. which is funny yet not cuz those are money makers. she put a french twist in my colomun  I thought cool maybe i can pull this off. lol, no such luck. she ended up fixing it.  thought okay she knew the lady and was just trying to get me some business so i could earn better commission. well, the weddin thing happened, and that is when i knew she did not believe in me or my ability. you can tell, by how certian phrases are worded or saying i called the church cuz i forgot to take numbers for the wedding dos to have them come in at seven in the morning to get them all done.


So, i decided, I have people that want me to cut and do their hair but have said they would rather pay me than my boss, ok, but i won't do that cuz that is against the rules. Or they don't want to go into the old lady shop as it is called, okay, I know i clientelle at smartstyle people who would only come in when they saw me working. so I am figuring on doing a chair rental, i know it isn't going to be easy, but it is better than fighting with a boss if my daughter gets sick, or if my sitter and mom are sick cuz i have no back up sitter, this way i can work the hrs I want and my clients that want to come to me can and the ones who followed me will follow me here. And than there is my family like grandma mom, mom in law and dad, and friends they refered to me.


There are a lot of people who want your sympathy vote but when it comes time for them, it doesn't come around when you are due for it. And I understand money is time and time is money but I can't control my babysitters dad dying on the day I work, I can't help my mom doesn't feel in control of her nerves and doesn't want to watch my daughter, but what I can do is put my family before my career, cuz that is always there people aren't. And I only plan to do two days a week so I am not paying too much out of pocket, what I am going to do is promote myself like I work for SmartStyle again, I was happy there, I just wish I would have not been so burned out cuz I would be there still. But it is a matter of finding where you belong and maybe this is it right here for me. I pray so.



curl up & dye
Posts: 15

Posted: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:44:41 PM
does your city have a beauty supplier they offten have classes for updo's and wedding hair and are really cheap also go to the liberary and there is a book called five minute hair styles when all else fails pull all the hair into a ponny tail curl sections into ringletts and pin barrels into a messy updo

curl up & dye
Posts: 15

Posted: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:46:02 PM
does your city have a beauty supplier they offten have classes for updo's and wedding hair and are really cheap also go to the liberary and there is a book called five minute hair styles when all else fails pull all the hair into a ponny tail curl sections into ringletts and pin barrels into a messy updo

amandamarie8705
Posts: 5

not always the case...
Posted: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:39:42 PM
Most cities do have suppliers who hold classes for multiple things including up-dos, however for some people learning how to do them isn't the case, it's about comfort as with most areas of our profession. If you are not comfortable doing something, i.e. color, hi-lites, up-dos, nails, it wouldn't really matter how many classes you took, chances are your nerves are gonna take over.

I've been in situations like that, where people walk all over me. When i started in this industry 2 years ago, i worked for a company i loved, the salon was beautiful, clean and most of the girls i worked with were nice. unfortunately 2 issues caused me to leave. number 1: clientele wasn't there, i maybe got 3 people a day and wasn't "allowed" to do color. Since i was just out of school the manager wanted to train me in color. She never had time and always had an attitude like she was above everyone and the salon. She is reason number 2. So i was offered a position in a privately owned salon. I was promised training in color, a growing clientele, and awesome benefits. I worked there for 4 months in the meantime i only got paid commission, which when you have no clientele is not much to live on. finally one day i got a surprise customer getting color. She was new to the salon, and wanted platinum blonde all over. wouldn't have been much of a problem but her hair was already fried from prior hi-lites. I went to the owner/ senior stylist to ask for help to do this since i didn't want to damage her hair anymore. She refused to help and made me do it myself. so I mixed up the bleach, and "touched up" the new growth added a few more hi-lites and ran some low-lites through it. the roots were platinum but the rest was not. she said it was fine. i let her go. and cleaned up. The owner was not happy to say the least. She yelled at me for about an hour and a half all the while told me that i don't take care of my self i don't care about my clients or the salon. That i was one of the worst hairdressers she had ever seen and i should have never been a cosmetologist. I havee since work for Great Clips a salon strictly for cuts and while i miss color i love the fast paced atmosphere. On a daily basis i do anywhere from 15 to 20 cuts in a 6 hour day.

It's not a question of whether you can do your job it's finding the perfect place to do it. Some place that is going to respect you and showcase your talents.
AMANDA MARIE

6618molly
Posts: 68

Posted: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:16:46 PM

Working for a chain provides good opportunities, not to mention the benefits, but they're usually strict, and like you've noted, pretty fast paced. I don't know their salary ranges but sounds like you did find your niche. Platinum on already fried hair, I don't know that I would've attempted it. I don't know why your boss was so upset. I'm amazed at what I hear some managers and salon owners do and how they treat their styllist.


bill in az

bottledblonde
Posts: 1

possible solution
Posted: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:35:24 PM

Hi...I am not sure where you live, but ulta salon is a fantastic starting point.  You will be behind the chair immediately, walk ins are usually in abudance due to the large variety ulta carries.  Also, Ulta and Redken are partners.  I work in a salon in Ga.  Not only do I get to work behind the chair, but through the company I applied to become a Redken educator.  They send us all over and we have access to the best trainers in the industry.  Hope this helps...sometimes a fresh start is just what you need!!



chadfromnc_2000
Posts: 136
Bronze Member

im getting
Posted: Saturday, October 17, 2009 7:42:47 PM
im getting ready to start work at JC Pennys next weekend. im exicted to be back in the industry again after a  5 year absence.  and also exitecd about learing some of their education they offer.

6618molly
Posts: 68

starting to stop
Posted: Sunday, October 18, 2009 11:52:49 AM
I'm rapidly approaching my golden years and in the next 3-5 years will be putting my shears up. I've worked as a commission,  "booth renter," manager, Styles Director, etc., over the years, but started behind a chair, don't tell anyone, since my 6th month of beauty school. In the evenings when state board was less likely to be doing their inspections. My cuts were pretty primitive, my clients were wonderful, some of whom are still clients 33 years later. I'm into my fourth generation with a few. Your skills are what may bring clients, some salons are fortunate in their walk-in traffic, but what it will boil down to, at least in my tenure has been that bonding factor is what brings them back. They need to like you, you need a personality and you need to not be afraid to approach folks that you see need a decent haircut or color. YOU must build your cliental, don't depend on the salon, if you do get the walk-in work hard on gettng them back. Know your profession and know how to do it all. Get your heads and stand out, start cutting away, go to classes or buy the DVDs...spending $150 for a cut technique could be worth thousands, ask those of us when Dorothy Hamill skated to fame, of Farrah, and DVD's weren't around, so it was going to the classes or shows to learn, Yosh, Vidal, Paul, Xenon, Toni, Guy, were always at the shows and a host of others, many still with us. It has been a wonderful career that I wouldn't trade for anything...I've had to live a couple of lives to keep it together but it has been truly a wonderful adventure and experience. I hope things are well for you
bill in az

pixanne
Posts: 1196
Platinum Member

6618molly
Posted: Monday, October 19, 2009 7:30:10 AM
i'm interested to know, bill in az,what you plan to do when you hang up your shears?

6618molly
Posts: 68

Good Question
Posted: Monday, October 19, 2009 8:56:11 AM
I have so many diverse interests. I've started a creative writing certificate program at a junior college and lack six hours to completing, so I may finally write the novel that's been floating around. I'm deeply involved in military veteran affairs and am state president (8 years now) of Vietnam Veterans of America so I'll continue to work on protecting veterans rights, entitlements and benefits, I have a family. My wife and four of her girl friends own a very nice salon/spa, my brother owns a salon and another brother is an instructor. It has been a creative outlet for all these years and I see so many ways that things can be improved I will continue going to the shows. I was disappointed in NCA when I tried to learn more about what we as hairdressers can do and I wanted to know who our members were in AZ. They wouldn't or couldn't tell me, a few years ago delegates voted to to let the chapters go and now they've had to merge. Not that that is a bad thing, but our state boards, legislation, education can all be tweaked some, and we need someone willing to take up the cause...I always felt that a cosmetologist should be given some kind of credit. In the day cosmetologists were not really given the credit they deserved. I came into the business just as unisex salons were becoming accepted, barbers had a very strong union, Shampoo the movie was out and all of a sudden men hairdressers weren't stereotyped (well kinda), then many of us lost very close and dear friends to the AIDs situation but that decade also started innovations in computers, cell phones and other communications, remember "beepers?" And of course drugs, the history is something and we've come a long way no doubt. I won't pretend to be up to most of you young hairdressers and the newer techniques...so many color lines...Goldwell has been my favorite for years, but I've used them all (when there were like five brands). Anyway I ramble...what about you Pixanne, plans? I see you on this talklist often, you seem to be a pretty sharp person. What's up in your life...where are you from? 
bill in az

goodbuttired
Posts: 1

This Industry is tough
Posted: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:40:01 PM
I have been doing hair for more than 28 years. things are different then they used to be. It`s harder to find loyal clients. There`s so much competition out there. So how do you become successful? Stand out, look the part, smile alot, talk to people, no matter where you are or what they look like. Never assume anything, just try to promote yourself. And when you do get them in your chair, give your un-divided attention, make them "fall in love" with you. Always do your best work, and never let them out of your chair until you are sure they are completely satisfied. If you did something new, call in a few days to see how they are doing. keep records of important dates, family names, ect. anything to help you make that conection. send the birthday card, or whatever. And ALWAYS ask for a referral. that should be the only way they get a discount from you. let your clients work for you! And don`t forget retail. it`s a great way to make a little extra money, and they will love you for helping keep their hair/skin/nails looking great.  And last, but not least, don`t give up. keep perfecting your skills, keep talking about hair, keep your attitude in check, and just keep trying.  It doesn`t matter what the salon name is, or even where it`s located. It`s word of mouth that get people in and keep them coming. Most people don`t really care if it`s a spa or not, or if you serve wine and cheese. They are just looking for GREAT service at a fair price. Good Luck!!

jesus123
Posts: 8

God's word for Cosmetologist and barbers
Posted: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:55:19 PM
Be encouraged and trust God. Build your own business it's time. Get business cards, flyers, discoubt cards and get busy. Invest in your self and as you sow seed you're sure to get a harvest. I have a book available online to help all stylist godswordforstylist1.com and you dont have to be a christian to benefit from this wisdom.